do pros bend their irons stronger

How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. And provided the hosel of the wood is long enough to allow the bending bar to fit over its length, metal woods can be bent to custom-fit a player. Pasted as rich text. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I had my Vr pros bent 2* strong and it did both. Upload or insert images from URL. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Your link has been automatically embedded. I am about a 10 handicap but am young and just now getting more serious about golfing. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. ), Undersize Golf Grips Explained (8 Key Facts!). The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. i'm 6'1, that's why i went to this lie. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. All Rights Reserved. My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. Pw 45 131, Hickory Bag: Brassie, Mid Iron, Mashie, Mashie Niblick, Niblick, Putter, Driver: PXG 12*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 63 6.0, Long Game: PXG 13*, PXG 16*; HZDRUS Handcrafted 83 6.5 (flip between the two), Driving Iron: PXG 0311 4 iron bent 17.5*; ProForce VTS 100HX (finally found a driving that works), Irons: NIKE VR Pro CBs Raw 4 - PW: Aldila RIP Tour 115 s,these are similar length irons (4 iron 37.75, PW 36.25)7, Wedges: Titleist Vokey 50F, 54D, 58S: DG S300 (will sometimes add in the 58* on shorter courses), Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Design #5 35 inches: Super Stroke GP Tour. Maybe a little further, maybe a little lower, maybe to change bounce, maybe just looks/feels better. [/color] [color=#282828]This made me wonder about messing with lofts and bounce (not to mention offset). XXIO X Series 5 Wood! And while you can bend your golf clubs at home, its best to send them to a custom club fitter unless you have invested in a golf club bending machine. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. Edel E-3 Torque Balanced 36", 345g, Golf Pride Tour SNSR Contour 104cc So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? [/quote]actually a "good" player (one who actually CAN control trajectory) could grab 10 different clubs off a rack and MAKE the ball flight in the air look VERY similar (no, that doesn't mean they are all ideal for the player, and no that doesn't mean they all fit him). Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. Nike Vapor Flex 9.5* Left/Low, Rogue Max Low 75TX This is a more upright lie angle.. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. Odyssey Versa Works Limited #7. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. By He wanted to see the club face wide open. (Worth the Money?!). My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Clear editor. I am 6 ft tall but have short arms and stand upright so standard clubs are horrible for me. [/quote] Most launch monitors are not very friendly to lefties so I don't even bother. You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that they're consistent from one club to the next. I have mine bent 2 degrees strong and cannot see any visible difference. You probably have hair as well. R11S 8* square; Stock stiff "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Posted August 1, 2009. If you don't like bend them back. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. [/b][/size] It is all about fitting. Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. Loft / Lie adjustments | Mizuno Golf Forum There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. And that changes the flight of the ball right? 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph. It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Bending say, 2* strong would have minimal effect on offset. By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM. You can now expect a bunch of posts citing all of the exceptions to the generalizations set out above. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. Your link has been automatically embedded. 8 iron 38 160 Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? Irons bent strong? - WRX Club Techs - GolfWRX I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. 6 iron 29 183 [/quote] [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. X Forged UT 20 w/PX [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] What Weaker Lofts or Weakening Lofts Means in Golf [/quote] 6-iron - 26.5 degrees. 10.5 set at small - Still have questions? 2 deg flat seems to work pretty well for me. Mine are a degree flat guess I'm opposite of the norm. PGA Tour players swing the club fast. Even with limitations, many of todays metal woods are indeed bendable, especially stainless-steel heads. 5-iron - 23.5 degrees. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM. I guess I need to build up the full set with x100 and see how my gapping would be from iron to iron. I tried to do a search for this topic, so if it has been disscussed I apologize. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. [quote name='rybo' timestamp='1441146850' post='12247568'] Windtree Golf is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program. There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). 1001 Industrial Blvd Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. When i play alone i use the 3-4 and 5 irons more to see how i hit them but otherwise i use 18 - 21 and 24 degree hybrids as they are just a no brainer on how they are a better choice for someone who has a slower swing speed .. however i wiish i could still hit irons instead every round .. You can post now and register later. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. In addition, once a club is bent to a given specification, it will stay there until changed by an outside force of either bending again or striking a hard object. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. My personal clubs are 2 up because that's what my fitting said I should be when hitting on a lie board. Pasted as rich text. This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. The irons Well the mid-irons are the perfect place to start. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? Biggest difference is in hit 2 degree upright in the center much more often and not as thin. 8-iron - 34.5 degrees. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. So, for the sake of your irons, take your clubs to a custom fitter if you plan on bending them. the dude who's got no shot at doing that always thinks it's the clubs. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. [/quote] Paste as plain text instead, It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. [quote name='clemsondds' post='1858228' date='Aug 1 2009, 07:36 PM']Ok thanks ya'll. [/quote] 4. Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. WRXer 'harpu728' kicks off the thread saying: "Being that higher-lofted irons within the same set are easier to hit (i.e. To help keep their driver shafts stable and the golf ball in play off the tee, many of them "tip," or trim, their golf shafts to make . My question is, what kind of test would they do to determine whether I should adjust my launch? Like said earlier there is no "real" standard. The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. 2. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. Coops Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. [/quote] Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. Why Pros Hit Their Irons so Far? | Golf Tips & Lessons The general rule of thumb is that 1* ~ 3 yards (which is why consistent 4* gaps is pretty standard). as many have already said, a more upright lie sort of "fixes" the leak to the right. To be bendable the iron has to have the proper heat treatment or annealing that will allow bending - let's make the assumption that quality irons indeed have this treatment. My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". Your link has been automatically embedded. Weaker lofts mean (all other things being equal) getting the ball up into the air quicker, and a little higher trajectory on your shots. Repeat a few times for checking, and can check a few different irons ie 7 and 9 and 5 etc to confirm your general tendency. How Much Does 1 Degree of Loft Affect Distance? - Golfing Schools Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. 8 iron 38 160 Callaway Apex Pro weak/strong - Toronto Golf Nuts I am 6ft tall and was fit into 2 deg upright. Upload or insert images from URL. no i've struggled with a fade all season. (Who Makes Them? It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. (used to hook, now after lessons - ongoing - cannot hook even if i try to.. still hope to get back to a nice draw..) . Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. Reset Password Terms & Conditions To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. He's on fire now, but I can't remember him playing well in windy conditions. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By Hogan was big into this. Sitemap. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. When watching PGA tour on TV, sometimes we are surprised by the distance that the pros hit with their iron. Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. bigo2398, August 31, 2015 in WRX Club Techs. The loft of an iron should be adjusted according to the golf course you play. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? Machines with fixed measuring gauges will not be accurate when measuring clubs with offset, progressive offset, or face progression hosel positions. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. Comparing 7 Iron Lofts - 2018 - Spargo Golf Have you experimented with different shafts? When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10. Ping G400 Testing G410. Display as a link instead, get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Ok thanks ya'll. This is often the case with cheaper branded golf clubs that are mass-produced, as less attention to detail is paid by the manufacturers. a few generalizations about lie angles: short golfers (think Ian Woosnam) will often require flatter lies; tall golfers (think Tom Weiskopf) will often benefit from more upright lies. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. TXG Custom King Cobra Nova, 25 gram weights, Garsen Ultimate grip. [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. flat but he has such a horrendous over the top move he gets by using irons that are 2 deg up. Basically almost all irons we offer on ExactGolf like all Miuras, Honmas TR20, Vegas and some Mizunos. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] Is that ok? You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. YOU have to be in control trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Ordering & Information Can then bend the irons to get the sole level at impact - or with Ping you'll order them to suit. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. And how do you go about it? Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Clear editor. Vice versa if the club is upright. You can strengthen the loft, which will reduce the spin and travel further but won't really fix your problem which I think is too much spin for given trajectory and distance. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Yes, when we talk of bending golf clubs, the iron family are the best candidates. So for many, playing an upright lie with your irons is a quick and dirty fix for those who can't or don't want to take the time to fix a swing flaw. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. If you strengthen iron lofts, how much does bounce become an issue? You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. Ping Tour Gorge 50SS, SM5 M-Grind 54/10, TM Tour Preferred 58/10 Every set of clubs sold should have some sort of custom work on them if fitted properly. PW-iron - 44.5 degrees. I have some of my irons bent 2* strong. Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x [quote name='ijohnson' timestamp='1441070745' post='12242666'] A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Albion, MI 49224 We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. By the way, thank you all for your input! Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. There are different golf club bending machines out there at different price points, so you have lots of options to choose from if you want to bend your clubs yourself. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. 6 iron 30 180 Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? I choose my lofts based on the yardages I want to hit it and nothing else. As mentioned, if youre thinking about bending your golf clubs, wed recommend consulting a professional club fitter first and getting a second opinion. I'm curious about this as well. Pw 47 125 For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. [/quote] So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Fitting.. gives you a choice. rjklein4470, June 3, 2009 in WRX Club Techs. Titleist Pro V1x Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. It is all about fitting. Thanks! Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. [quote name='dlygrisse' post='1857448' date='Aug 1 2009, 11:07 PM']When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10.[/quote] Just because you have 130 yds to pin doesn't mean it's automatically a PW..depends on alot of factors Players have been doing this for a long time. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. Callaway Apex Pro 16 KBS Tour V x It's all about control and the less flex, the better the control. When you get your set of irons, make sure that both thew lofts AND the lies are checked for consistency. Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. If he had a decent swing he most likely would be playing irons 4-5 deg. Hogan was big into this. [/quote] Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? [/quote] You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine: Get Bending! gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable Swing: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRK_GXV7rDg[/url] (Driver FV) If you feel like you are spinning the 6 too much for a certain type of shot on a particular day, hit a knock down 5 iron or scrub some speed off the 6. Deciding whether or not to bend your clubs is down to personal preference. Loft angles are adjusted mostly for consistent distance gaps throughout the set. Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. I would think if anything it just shows that some taller people are getting into golf. United States. 1. Oddly, despite several swing changes over many years have consistently need a couple of degrees upright (Ping green code equivalnet, i think..). wil wait and see after my present promising swing changes.! It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. tiger used 2 weak one his old iron i dont know if he still using it, Ping G430LST w/ TPT 14HI / Synergy green 75tx / Ventus TR blue

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