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He was thrilled. ', Sorry for that , but I cant agree . Your previous content has been restored. Powered by Invision Community, Now that is the toppest of notches you are ever gonna get [Y]. But saying that you disagree with my statement makes no sense. Its all about compromise because nothing does it all well. No mean feat. You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various herita Blister8160 he has both & can give an honest assessment of the differences. Your previous content has been restored. You can build better new for under $700 a pair plus rational-size DIY cabs. :yes: http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/91402/1318610.aspx, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Absolutely not.what a silly question.[] I know you'll enjoy the process of getting a new pair of these legendary speakers! What they share is their horn design and their efficiency. Take heart, there will soon be an answer to the WAF and the horn upgrade! Some of you talk about the 19s as tho they were the A7 voice of the theaters. And that was with the K-55 driver mated to it. Interesting. It has a more open, natural-sounding midrange and is highly detailed with less horn coloration and listener fatigue. how hard is it to fix or replace the horn on a 19? ALTEC 604-HPLN (High Power Less Network) had 421 8 woofer LF + 16 HF diaphragm, so the. he also builds one for Khorn with the option of a replacement Khorn tophat motorboard if desired. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. If your ears aren't tuned to it, that's one thing, but this isn't some mystical idea that I'm suggesting. you note that the jubilees, 'in themselves have not made me a happier man. Got rid of them quickly after I got a pair of 846A Valencias. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. The "little" A8 is a sleeper. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. Klipsch makes an awful lot of speakers. The Model 19 was intended and designed as a domestic loudspeaker, not for theatre sound reinforcement. 1 watched in the last 24 hours. I think you both will like them very much, both for their aesthetic qualities and their incredible sound. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn .
Thank you for your input, Daddy Dee, I'll go with the new Khorns. They are HUGE and so is their sound. BUT, the model 19s are great full range speakers and technically they extend lower and higher than the khorn. 1) Timbre shifts due to SPL polar control issues vs. frequency - with particular emphasis on both vertical and horizontal polar patterns that are bandpassed due to loss of polar control. The Altec Lansing A2 'Voice of the Theatre' loudspeaker combines two 210 low-frequency cabinets with four 515E drivers, and one 1005B horn with two 288-16K high-frequency compression drivers - a theater classic! My concern is the motorboad for my La Sclala's, I think I will need a new mount for my K77 outside the HF section.". If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The Khorn bass was better. Ok, so how different would the K-401 compare to the Tactrix? Funny that this would come back up? The thoughts of previous posts are right on. I still to date have both speakers and like them for thier strengt I think Klipsch made basically three speakers that were fully horn loaded and finished like furniture for use in home audio systems (as opposed to sound reinforcement applications.) I would like to get one of these bass cabinets, mount a 511B The bottom end is there but not so predominant until the power is applied and at that point things are Upload or insert images from URL. Furthermore, most of the graphs I've seen done on Khorns don't have extended highs or the flattest frequency response. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . $178.24 for 24 months with PayPal Credit* Buy It Now. In my experience, the Model 19 is preferable to either Klipsch speaker I owned. could you say more about your experience with jubs? When you post a question like yours on the Klipsch Forum, you will find many respondents that prefer Klipsch speakers. A7s or Model 19's, both sound mushy compared to Khorns. Please check the fields highlighted in red. No for the reason above. The K-horns play so deep, down to 20 cycles, that you don't need a sub. Altec Horn System Transform your Klipschorns Complete Midrange Swap for Klipschorn. As everyone says, a lot depends on the room, especially with Khorns. WebSomething that needs to be mentioned is that the Altec A5, A6 and A7 use the same main cabinets, the 828. The pair of tractrix horns, built by forum friend, just fit inside the top hat. The La Scala has the BAD K400 squawker horn from the Klipschorn and the Cornwall has the higher When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, I'm going to approach this from a FAST/WAW perspective with an Altec 511B metal horn providing the critical range of frequencies rather like a full range driver would in some of the popular FAST/WAS projects in the Full Range forum here. The K77 won't fit if you mount the 511 on the motorboard of the LaScala. You can post now and register later. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Your link has been automatically embedded. Scaling it up for a 15" woofer would be a very interesting project. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. [:-*] It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. WebBuy Klipsch Heritage here: https://paducahhometheater.com/collections/klipsch-heritagePaducah Home Theater / PHT TV - Ep. Even our host has spoken at length about horn shout on this very forum. What is the amplification used for Amphion and how do they sound? You didn't specify in your posting what particular Klipsch speakers you are thinking of, and most respondents have referred to various heritage models, chiefly the Klipschorn. This article explains what we need to know about these speakers that are still highly sought-after with many still in use in cinemas. and have owned Cornwall, Choruses, and Fortes. different takes on what might be a good approach, explore the posts by In at least one pitting of the Altec A7 against the Khorn, the Khorn had considerably better very high frequency response, even though both did not extend much beyond 15K Hz. You can use them anywhere, as they are no longer corner horns. The jubs have been in the house about 7 months now, & I have only listened, have not even started the cosmetic plans of staining the center panel's to match walls & still kicking around different options for grill cloth etc. Therefore, of course I agree. i can perfectly visualize what you are describing thank you for taking the time to help me understand something that maybe fundiment By Much better bass than the A7 cabinet. I could see the term being used to loosely describe a horns sound signature, in the same manner as I ascribe to "forward" as also describing an efficient, horn loaded system. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. Add to cart. Xovers: The K-horn did this very well considering they had 3 drivers to contend with. Look man, I hate to break it to you but all horns shout. ). well, the Khorns and LaScalas both use the venerable K-401 horn. As for tonal balance and voicing, well that varies I hope you are aware the A7 is an industrial looking box intended to be custom finished for residential use. Just a side comment. though there are other issues to resolve, a new pair of Jubilee's might actually cost you less than a new pair of Khorns (and perhaps sound better) Might at least be worth investigating. Dr. Mbius - Dee is right. Clear editor. I don't pretend to presume that just because you don't care to hear about them that someone else that (might not know about them) doesn't. Today, the A7 is one of the most sought-after speakers for home audio in Japan, in part because real estate is so expensive in Japan that to be able to say you The A7-500-8 features improved high-frequency The classic look of this iconic loudspeaker is completed through the use of retro software luster grill cloth that includes a cast zinc Klipschorn logo. Would the mod to your boards be tough? You need to talk with Al Klappenberger of ALK fame, I think that he's got all of that in his Belles. Alas, those of us saddled by SWMBO and WAF to the K-400 must still seek nervana! If someone is contemplating new Khorns then I think they might want to know about the Jubilee's. I've used tractrix mid horn replacements in my vintage Khorns and now in my LaScalas. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. yes It was built here. Although I have had Khorns sound good I noticed you used JBL drivers in your Belles. I have a pair of corner horn speakers that I built myself. I have Model 19s in the downstairs kitchen, and modded 63 Khorns in the man cave, and they both are outstanding. The bass is routed out of the front, up and down each side and not the back. Their top of the line residential unit at the time was the Laguna, with two 803B LF drivers and a 511B horn with 802D HF driver. The original KHorns I most recently sold to a friend in southern Illinois, who is ecstatic about them. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. I don't know about the 811, but I had a 511 that I was using in place of the K-400 in my La Scala's, and it was night and day better than the K-400. They are even more efficient than the Altec A7's, which have a maximum efficiency of 103dB. For those with much mor eknowledge than I, what are the sound differences? Since I am almost 70 now, I thought I better do it now,, tomorrow is always an unknown [8-)] especially at my age. Regulars. Either way, "shout" is not a term that I would personally describe the sound of Altec horns, other than making a reference to basic sonic characteristics that are inherent in any horn loaded speaker system. In picking out a speaker, I would rank extended listening as much more important than spec sheets, or even independent testing. Makes this a great hobby. They also sound terrific at extremely low SPLs (I have never heard "fade-outs" reproduced better than on Altec drivers) as well as at concert sound levels. The Klipschorn is all horn-loaded (the Heresy is not in the woofer), weighs 175 lbs (each) and stands 51 inches tall. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. actually better than many expensive gears I heard. Waiting on Xenforo to set a date for installing the upgrades. Which is why, I have a preference for running multiple systems at the same time, When I am running my A7's with tube amplification, I am also running two other systems with conventional designed tower speakers, powered by solid state amps. 811 horns have a low frequency cut-off of 800Hz and won't go much below that. I would like to try a K-55/511b combo running them down to 400 Hz. It's futile. The entire series was gradually expanded for use in general sound reinforcement and later converted in extreme high-end audio segments for hi-fi home use. trouble is , they were both working, and then at a later time the horn was not working on one of them. Oops, looks like you forgot something. By Your link has been automatically embedded. Klipsch was a brilliant engineer, but I think the midrange driver, K 55 V, he used in the heritage line was not of exceptionally high quality. Posted February 9, 2005. My experiences have found them a little too bright and crisp. 290 driver: 116 dB SPL. I have put a lot of Labor Please. 730 driver: 106 dB SPL Cell Configuration 2x5 Throat single throat 30210. As far as the JBL/Beyma tweeters go, I am less certain about that. Thus even Altecs and JBLs that used direct-radiating woofers had much of the midrange horn-loaded. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. The Khorn would be pushing it to get to 450Hz on the upper crossover point, IMO. The Altec Nineteen is the best all in one box-turnkey Altec. Compared to previous Altecs it has extended bass and treble response. It is not the only hammer in the toolbox. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. There was a whole range of Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers -- the A5 and A7 are probably the most common. Notice how you can't name a single one that doesn't? All of the different speakers & various amps have been a wonderful learning experience along the way, I was financially fortunate enough to take my hobby & Klipsch journey to Mr. Pauls final creation,. I have consistently found that I 'like" whatever is new in my listening room. Cant do that with new stuff. Yeh. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. Others have different opinions that are just as valid. The difference is likely lower distortion of the Khorn. For two rather First off, and IMO very importantly, the 19s have much better extended HF responseinfact, the Khorns don't go much over 17k. Have fun with it. It's fine when when within the scope of purchase, but when brought up all the time, and recommended for consideration when thousands over budget, multiple friends have indicated in passing that excessive Klipsch shilling is almost as bad as the Bose bashing. Sorry for that , but I cant agree . I have Khorns, 19's, A-7s, and larger VOTTs. Display as a link instead, The Aristocrat is a contemporary of the Klipsch "Rebel/Shorthorn". Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. for using as a mid-range horn 511 is better but in a two-way like M19 811 sounds better because the smaller horn pronounces higher frequency better than 511, use some bitumen as dampening material outside of 511 and it'll sound more open with no honkiness and ringing. Had he not made his comment about buying a new pair of Khorns, I would have not said anything. What do you recommend? This website and its contents are copyright 2020 KCK Media Corp. All rights reserved. I have owned all the Heritage series except the Bella's & the Chorus, In my listening room (without good corners & several other undesirable architectural traits, the Jubs have given me the best performance. They just disappear into the corners! bluesboy Everyone claims that it can, but can never say just exactly how. Owned and used a pair of 1974 Cornwalls for a decade. 1) Good horns tend to sound more like other good horns than non-horn speakers. Both of these are good brands, IMO. As always, it's This matches the High Fidelity review of the Khorns from December 1963, which states that the Khorns bass "extended smoothly to well below 30 cycles [cycles per second being Hz in '60s talk], with doubling occuring at about 20 to 23 cycles, depending on how hard the system was driven." Clear editor. I was first exposed to Altec speakers, haunting a HiFi store since before I could legally drive. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex combo, where the rear radiation of the cone attempts to put out as much sound as the front horn, which, of course, it can't. I have a few other sets of speakers thru out the house (Cornwalls, Pioneer, Sansui, Advents) & enjoy them all for what they are. What are the physical dimmensions for the horn. Regarding the 511 change I have a split center, I think I am going to by a single horn and build a new HF box for it to A/B and decide from there. very different. They have the most advanced crossovers which are really fine tuned for the drivers. []. two way - Jubilee. Full fledged folded horns of Klipsch don't have the step down in the curve as the Altecs do inw their straight axis short horn/bass reflex co The power supply for the Gradient active crossover was not included, so I am awaiting a new one that should arrive next week. Altec spec sheets show 30hz- 20khz freq response, Khorns show 33hz- 17khz. "Are the Vintage altecs as desirable as the klipsch seems to be?" ..not around here they ain't! [] The original K55 is still good enough though. Studio monitor class. i have these .. i don't view them as overly bright but then You can post now and register later. Of couse, I am wasting my breath on a Klispch forum typing thishaha. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. That is indeed a beautiful 2a3 amp, did you build it Arash? Discussion in 'Speakers' started by Coolhandjjl, Jun 4, 2010. 811 is 800Hz, 511 is 500Hz, 311 is 300Hz. Shoot, even as good as they sound now, I am still anxious to try other amps & other fine tuning experiments, just my nature. DIY Corner Horns,McIntosh C-26,McIntosh 2505,Micro-Seiki DD-40 TT with Grado reference master,Pioneer RT-909 reel to reel. The Klipschorns are built with the K-401 mid horn. dkalsi I am reluctant to make a change I cannot undue other than refinishing my La Scala cabinets in new veneer. WebSet of 2 Two Vintage Altec Lansing A7 Speakers Wood Cabinets . Good condition items function properly but may exhibit some wear and tear. I haven't A design by John Hilliard, Altec Lansing Voice of the Theatre systems originally targeted movie theaters. Some call them plug uglies, but I could care less when I am listening, for me its all about the reproduction of music. 4) Paul Klipsch ran curves of the Altec A7 v.s. both the La Scala and the Klipschorn in the '60s. They are reproduced somewhere on this forum. I really don't think its as cut and dry as some of you guys say and out of the two systems, if anyone is a limitied compromise, I really feel its the Khorn. I have both 811 and 511 horns and also K-400. So I took the best of both worlds. it sounds ultimately good and accurate. Dr Morbius a new pair of Khorns will sound fabulous. to my ears the tractrix mid horns have a more open sound. Paste as plain text instead, Paste as plain text instead, Affiliate programs and Discussion in 'Speakers' started by sansuisammy, Feb 19, 2010. By clicking Subscribe, I agree to receive exclusive offers & promotions, news & reviews, and personalized tips for buying and selling on Reverb. I have them in my Belles and cross them at 700. Powered by Invision Community. It weighs about 220 lb. If you were more specific about what Klipsches you are thinking about, you would get more informed answers. Yes, the A7s didn't have a great low frequency response, and their high end response was only as good as the khorns. You're in denial. Materion Truextent makes replacement diaphragms, http://alteclansingunofficial.nlenet.net/publications/techletters/AN-11_EnclosurePlans.pdf. Copyright 2022 Klipsch Group, Inc. I know of several people who have made than change. Paste as plain text instead, and get rid of my large directs radiator subs, for an all-horn system top to bottom! I'd planned on building a new motorboard to use with it, but was moving into a place that could not accommodate Khorns, so didn't go further with that project. the Amazon Associates Program via amazon.com. It would have to be mounted externally. Your link has been automatically embedded. It measures 53 high, 31 wide, and 28 deep. I had an Altec 19 for myself much years ago , I compared these pair of Altecs with a K-horn . $1700 Firm takes all. Yes, I use JBL 2426h drivers on 811b horns in my Belles. I've considerable experience with both Klipsch and Altec speakers and IMO the Altecs are much smoother and have a more realistic midrange and late model Altecs with compensated crossovers (Models 14, 15, 18 and 19) have highs at least as extended as K-77 tweetered Klipsches. In fact, by the end of the year, I wll have horn loaded subwoofers to 22 hz. In my personal opinion the K-horn is , as I ca. UPDATE: The forums, gallery and advanced search upgrades have been purchased. i have a set put away, i havent brought them out in a long long time. The difference between A5 and A7 is the HF horn: the former uses one of the multi cells, the latter the sectoral type horn. So much of your preference depends on your listening habits, the kind of music you prefer, your room, electronics, etc. I suggest mounting the tweeter in the very top in one side of the woofer horn mouth. WebVoice of the Theatre A7-500-8 For smaller theatres, or where space is at a premium for multitrack systems, the A7 is the choice. They are making new ones for original Altec tools. Sound 80 mix-masters could achieve 110+dB at the console. 19 thread, []. You can post now and register later. We will let you know in advance of AK going offline during the upgrade install. I had to "eq" the tar out of it just to get it to go flat up to 7500 Hz where I crossed it over to the tweeter. They can be improved by modifications to a completely superior level. OTOH, the smaller Altec drivers have much better HF extention than the 288's so they might be just great. This article was originally published in audioXpress, September 2020. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. ). sweet. ok .. point taken .. whaddabout the EV 350t biradial ..?? They can take power better than an original Altec 19 network. 811 sounds just like 511 but 511 has a higher cutt-off frequency. Fast transients, no power compression, amazing detail and dynamics, vs. mush for reflex..yuck. The passive You can't crossover the LaScala or Klipschorn that high. Here's the 1953 plans. While the K77 does not extend as far as the aforementioned tweeters, it is a little more toned down/mellower by comparison? I do NOT recommend that combination. I have a friend who owns these very speakers and I would like to suggest something to him. This is a sample of Klipsch's Flagship speaker displayed on their website! Been using 511b/902-16a on top of 75' Cornwall bins. glad to hear you are enjoying the Altecs. Arash another thing about Altecs, its hard to find amps that will make them sound their best. If I can help any one with specific questions, PM or email me. Hey! However- The 2019 Klipschorn also offers its own combination of those qualities, one that delights and surprises in some respects (uncolored vocals, surprisingly good spatial performance, much better senses of touch and impact than the average loudspeaker) while disappointing in others (less than the tightest bottom octaves, a trace of grain under strain).

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